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		<title>By: Courtney Gidts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney Gidts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve managed to save up roughly $25132 in my bank account, but I&#039;m not sure if I should buy a house or not.  Do you think the market is stable or do you think that home prices will decrease by a lot?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve managed to save up roughly $25132 in my bank account, but I&#8217;m not sure if I should buy a house or not.  Do you think the market is stable or do you think that home prices will decrease by a lot?</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its always fun to read an insider talk about what an outsider they are.

I&#039;ve always been such an outsider that I&#039;ve been forced over time to enumerate benefits of outsiderdom, and I think I prefer it. Outsiders can be incognito, sneak in and out of places and up to people. Outsiders get to observe without becoming observed. Outsiders get to be more innovative, often out of necessity, but also because they have less to lose (as Avis says &quot;#2 tries harder.&quot;)

It helps that I love to be where the action is but hate hate HATE being the center of attention. YeeeUCK. There could be a self-sabatoge effect of preferring outsider status, I should probably look into that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its always fun to read an insider talk about what an outsider they are.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been such an outsider that I&#8217;ve been forced over time to enumerate benefits of outsiderdom, and I think I prefer it. Outsiders can be incognito, sneak in and out of places and up to people. Outsiders get to observe without becoming observed. Outsiders get to be more innovative, often out of necessity, but also because they have less to lose (as Avis says &#8220;#2 tries harder.&#8221;)</p>
<p>It helps that I love to be where the action is but hate hate HATE being the center of attention. YeeeUCK. There could be a self-sabatoge effect of preferring outsider status, I should probably look into that.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re in it to be &quot;in&quot;, you&#039;re in it for the wrong reasons. If you worry about whether or not you&#039;re &quot;in&quot;, your writing will most likely suffer. That&#039;s the nice thing about blogging; you can, and should, do your own thing. Other people be damned. Who cares if they decide to go in one direction when you want to go in another. Who says you have to follow the &quot;in&quot; crowd? If anything, not being in the &quot;in&quot; crowd will give you more cred. The days of a small group of people deciding the direction of things on the internet are over. Nothing interesting happens at the big parties, just at the little gathering.

(not you Julie, just bloggers in general)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re in it to be &#8220;in&#8221;, you&#8217;re in it for the wrong reasons. If you worry about whether or not you&#8217;re &#8220;in&#8221;, your writing will most likely suffer. That&#8217;s the nice thing about blogging; you can, and should, do your own thing. Other people be damned. Who cares if they decide to go in one direction when you want to go in another. Who says you have to follow the &#8220;in&#8221; crowd? If anything, not being in the &#8220;in&#8221; crowd will give you more cred. The days of a small group of people deciding the direction of things on the internet are over. Nothing interesting happens at the big parties, just at the little gathering.</p>
<p>(not you Julie, just bloggers in general)</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, everyone, for the rich insights posted here in the comments. I appreciate the many ideas revealed, enough to fill several more posts. Thanks for sharing and creating conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, everyone, for the rich insights posted here in the comments. I appreciate the many ideas revealed, enough to fill several more posts. Thanks for sharing and creating conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie,

I loved this thread; actually, all of my recent thoughts have mirrored yours...or are yours mirroring mine? This is part of the circuitous, female nature of blogs, maybe. We think, therefore I blog, as it were. 

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,</p>
<p>I loved this thread; actually, all of my recent thoughts have mirrored yours&#8230;or are yours mirroring mine? This is part of the circuitous, female nature of blogs, maybe. We think, therefore I blog, as it were. </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blogs just reflect that humans are tribal&#8212;we are social animals who prefer the company of relatively small, like-minded groups, just as when we were hunting and gathering on the African savannah a million years ago.

Weblogs are still new, and I think Anil Dash&#039;s analysis of the blog cycle shows it:

http://www.dashes.com/anil/2005/03/21/the_blog_cycle

But in the end, weblogs are just another way for people to communicate, and when we communicate, we include and exclude&#8212;or perceive inclusion and exclusion even when it&#039;s not quite what we think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blogs just reflect that humans are tribal&mdash;we are social animals who prefer the company of relatively small, like-minded groups, just as when we were hunting and gathering on the African savannah a million years ago.</p>
<p>Weblogs are still new, and I think Anil Dash&#8217;s analysis of the blog cycle shows it:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dashes.com/anil/2005/03/21/the_blog_cycle" rel="nofollow">http://www.dashes.com/anil/2005/03/21/the_blog_cycle</a></p>
<p>But in the end, weblogs are just another way for people to communicate, and when we communicate, we include and exclude&mdash;or perceive inclusion and exclusion even when it&#8217;s not quite what we think.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Prodoehl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Prodoehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have given up...I&#039;m just not included.&quot;

For every person who thinks they are not &quot;in&quot; or &quot;included&quot; there is someone else who thinks that that person is &quot;in&quot; or &quot;included&quot; and they are the one who is not &quot;in&quot; or &quot;included&quot;

Perceptions are weird that way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have given up&#8230;I&#8217;m just not included.&#8221;</p>
<p>For every person who thinks they are not &#8220;in&#8221; or &#8220;included&#8221; there is someone else who thinks that that person is &#8220;in&#8221; or &#8220;included&#8221; and they are the one who is not &#8220;in&#8221; or &#8220;included&#8221;</p>
<p>Perceptions are weird that way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2005 02:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have given up...I&#039;m just not included.&quot;

I would think this is strong confirmation of the problem of imbalances of power, not that &quot;&quot;In&quot; and &quot;out&quot; are illusions&quot;.

You seem to be saying, as much as I can make out your chain of reasoning:
&quot;This great person, who I *think* should be &quot;in&quot;, feels &quot;out&quot; - THEREFORE, there&#039;s no such thing as &quot;in or &quot;out&quot;, BECAUSE I assume she would be &quot;in&quot;, so the concept must be meaningless&quot;.

I suggest to you that the concept is quite meaningful. Rather, the flaw in your reasoning is in the assumption that she would be &quot;in&quot;. Being first does not necessarily guarantee success - just ask Netscape. For any subject, there&#039;s a tiny, tiny, handful of position of power, so in fact almost *everyone*  discussing the subject is indeed an outsider in that sense.

And if someone wants to be heard beyond chatting to their small circle of friends, they almost certainly  *do* have to suck up to the cool kids. Otherwise, they&#039;ll be told how wonderful it is that an extensive search might someday turn up their page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have given up&#8230;I&#8217;m just not included.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would think this is strong confirmation of the problem of imbalances of power, not that &#8220;&#8221;In&#8221; and &#8220;out&#8221; are illusions&#8221;.</p>
<p>You seem to be saying, as much as I can make out your chain of reasoning:<br />
&#8220;This great person, who I *think* should be &#8220;in&#8221;, feels &#8220;out&#8221; &#8211; THEREFORE, there&#8217;s no such thing as &#8220;in or &#8220;out&#8221;, BECAUSE I assume she would be &#8220;in&#8221;, so the concept must be meaningless&#8221;.</p>
<p>I suggest to you that the concept is quite meaningful. Rather, the flaw in your reasoning is in the assumption that she would be &#8220;in&#8221;. Being first does not necessarily guarantee success &#8211; just ask Netscape. For any subject, there&#8217;s a tiny, tiny, handful of position of power, so in fact almost *everyone*  discussing the subject is indeed an outsider in that sense.</p>
<p>And if someone wants to be heard beyond chatting to their small circle of friends, they almost certainly  *do* have to suck up to the cool kids. Otherwise, they&#8217;ll be told how wonderful it is that an extensive search might someday turn up their page.</p>
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		<title>By: Bud Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard a lot about you, for instance the talk at Northern Voice, but never read your blog.  Winer&#039;s link brought me here.  I really appreciate your perspective on diversity.  I remarked on Shelley Winter&#039;s blog last week that from where I sat, the complaints about lack of diversity at eTech vs. SXSW sounded remarkably like one set of titans complaining that the other set of titans did not like them.  As you point out, everyone is just in their own walled communities.

The point I would make back to you is this.  Unlike high school, we can to some extent sashay about between communities in the blogosphere.  Sometimes we can wander into communities by accident.  That&#039;s how I got to Shelley&#039;s blog in the first place.

So, oddly for an extreme information consumer like myself, the blogosphere is breeding diversity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard a lot about you, for instance the talk at Northern Voice, but never read your blog.  Winer&#8217;s link brought me here.  I really appreciate your perspective on diversity.  I remarked on Shelley Winter&#8217;s blog last week that from where I sat, the complaints about lack of diversity at eTech vs. SXSW sounded remarkably like one set of titans complaining that the other set of titans did not like them.  As you point out, everyone is just in their own walled communities.</p>
<p>The point I would make back to you is this.  Unlike high school, we can to some extent sashay about between communities in the blogosphere.  Sometimes we can wander into communities by accident.  That&#8217;s how I got to Shelley&#8217;s blog in the first place.</p>
<p>So, oddly for an extreme information consumer like myself, the blogosphere is breeding diversity.</p>
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		<title>By: RoGeR</title>
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		<dc:creator>RoGeR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems right on target in the current world of blogging... especially since blogging is getting so much attention right now in the mainstream media.

It is easy to think of blogging along the same lines as television, or newspapers. In those worlds, the few prosper while the fringe voices fall away.

But the real power of blogging is in the diversity of voices that are &quot;out there&quot;. We should remember why we blog in the first place. And for each of us, I imagine the reasons are as unique as we are.

Blogging can be powerful when you consider your voice is available to anyone in the world who can go online and search your words out. 

It can be equally disconcerting when you consider that with any medium only the top few percent of the &quot;streams&quot; become the most consumed. 

With all of the visual forms of entertainment and information in the world - none are consumed by as many people as network television. It is almost odd when a network executive laments that a show *only* gets 3 million viewers or the like.

By comparison, blogging costs next to nothing. It stays &quot;out there&quot; as long as you like, if not longer... and is immediate and personal. 

The power is not in the numbers of links or readers, not in any one voice, but in participating in a global conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems right on target in the current world of blogging&#8230; especially since blogging is getting so much attention right now in the mainstream media.</p>
<p>It is easy to think of blogging along the same lines as television, or newspapers. In those worlds, the few prosper while the fringe voices fall away.</p>
<p>But the real power of blogging is in the diversity of voices that are &#8220;out there&#8221;. We should remember why we blog in the first place. And for each of us, I imagine the reasons are as unique as we are.</p>
<p>Blogging can be powerful when you consider your voice is available to anyone in the world who can go online and search your words out. </p>
<p>It can be equally disconcerting when you consider that with any medium only the top few percent of the &#8220;streams&#8221; become the most consumed. </p>
<p>With all of the visual forms of entertainment and information in the world &#8211; none are consumed by as many people as network television. It is almost odd when a network executive laments that a show *only* gets 3 million viewers or the like.</p>
<p>By comparison, blogging costs next to nothing. It stays &#8220;out there&#8221; as long as you like, if not longer&#8230; and is immediate and personal. </p>
<p>The power is not in the numbers of links or readers, not in any one voice, but in participating in a global conversation.</p>
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